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w much dirt can we manufacture? more than you think. very little. [ doorbell rings ] what's this? what's that? swiffer sweeper. [ lee ] i came in under the assumption that it was clean. i've been living in a fool's paradise! >> the white house has bought itself some time, but how much? at the start of what is a raw miserable rainy saturday morning here in new york, we finds ourselves thinking about patience, about whether democrats will have the fortitude to stick it out and stand behind the president for however long it takes to get the affordable care act implemented. even if his numbers and their numbers get worse. we are thinking about this week's culmination of a two decade quest for same sex
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couples to get married, a national debate. it was a lot different back then than today. we are also thinking about paeshs among other virtues it takes to have other people in your personal space. roommate, eat all your cereal, leave dishes in the everything is. hog the tv they happen to be members of congress. more on that in a while. okay, we are thinking if patience is the best strategy on "up against the clock?" should you listen to your gut early an buzz in opponents, another exciting edition of that up against the clock game is ahead. but first, you probably remember this scene. it was late in the night of march 21sten, 20s 10, a sunday night. a vote on final passage of the patient protection and affordable care act. obama care they now call it in the house of representatives. this was the decisive vote. it already had cleared the
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senate. it had survived a last minute controversy over abortion coverage. now, finally after decades, after generations of false starts and dead endings, here was the vote. will the bill pass and make it to president obama's desk? yes, it did pass, 2 fifteen 19 to 212. it passed with every single republican in the chamber. all 178 of them back then voting against it. it passed with 34 democrats, some of them blue dog conservative democrats who were philosophically opposed to the concept. some democrats who were scared of paying a political vote. it paced with 34 democrats voting no there was a buzz in the air in the house chamber that night. national health care had been a dream since harry truman's presidency. that was about to become reality. republicans were excited for a different reason. they'd spent the last year screaming and shouting of a government takeover of health
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care, about socialized medicine and death panels and watched president obama's popularity drop every step of the way. now this with the reality of obama care. they believe they had the perfect weapon to the township 2010 mid-term campaign and they were right. >> the sounding victory for the republicans on election night disappointing for democrats following a bruising campaign season. >> the gop need to peck up 13 seats to gain control of the howls. as of now, they gained 15. >> that number is expected to reyes. >> that number did rise. the thing is it didn't matter how individual democrats had voted on obama care. 17 of those lost their seats anyway in november, 2010. some didn't bother to try. when they looked up and you a the gop tidal wave coming. they stepped aside and decided to not run for re-election. all those other house democrats, staired down the republican
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attacks, the warning of political suicide, who voted to make the affordable care act a law and lost their jobs and political careers because of it, the day after that 2010 landslide, nancy pelosi said they were actually okay with tear fates, for one reason, in an interview, she said, well, what they had said to me on the phone is they are very proud of what they have done. they know, for example, in passing health care, wall street reform and other initiatives, they have done what was right for the american people, special pride in the health care bill because it's so his tore ec. one of them said it more, most eloquently, similar sentiment expressed by others, she said, if i have to go into another lean of work because i voted to give this opportunity for americans, so be it. i am proud of what i've done. that's the point of what happened in 2010, with democrats, without the support of a single republican an act of the affordable care act. that's the point when they stuck together. stuck with the law in the 2011,
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2027, when a new house majority called dozens of votes to repeal itch when they stuck together as republicans not it all the way to the supreme court. republicans told americans in the 2012, you don't like the law, here's your chance to get rid of it once and for all. vote against the democrats, vote for us. the democrats survived all of that, their law. obama care survived all that and still to this day, republicans continue to oppose that law uniformly and unanimously. you have to goult aback to before the civil war to the days of the kansas-nebraska act to find the law once adopted by congress and signed by a president was unanimously continuously attacked, litigated and not for as long as republicans have now attacked, litigated and not the affordable care act. and now, now, republicans have some new ammunition. they have some real political ammunition. the former launch of obama care was october 1st.
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since then, the rollout has been an unmitigated disaster. the website problems were, the website problems are, bad enough. the president's admission that the claim he made in selling the law back in 2010, the promise that everyone who liked their policy could keep their policy, did not end up being accurate it's given him and this law a real credibility problem. and you can see in the numbers this week, 39% obama's new quinnipiac poll, the majority of americans, 52% saying he's not honest or trustworthy. only 40% a proving of obama care, 55% disapproving. that's why this week started of a democrating revolt. bill clinton kicked it off. he said the law should be changed to germany tee people can keep their turn current plans if they want. democrats started gettingen
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board. the liberals, house republicans put their own bill together. democrats were breaking big numbers. somehow the affordable care act was changed in some way. that was the back drop for what was an amazing spectacle on thursday morning. the president of the united states fielding one hostile question after another, heaping blame on himself, on his team, saying whatever he could say to take the heat off congressional democrats and keep them from revolting and killing the law that he and the entire democratic party had already paid such a steep price to enact and maintain. >> there is no doubt that our failure for the rollout the aca smoothly has put a burdz burden on democrats whether they're running or not. i also feel an obviously gaegs to everybody out there who has
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supported this effort. you know when we don't do a good job on the rollout, we're letting them down. >> for now, it seems to have worked. the republican plan passed the house on friday, 39 skittish democrats went along with it. 13 is not a small number. it is a lot less. democrats were fearing earlier in the week. >> that republican bill is going nowhere in the senate a. momentum for the plan mary landrieu and dianne feinstein and others put together seem stalled. the president has bought some time, he's reminded democrats how deeply they and their party as a whole are invested in sewing this law through, in making it work. who ill the fix that obama announced this week is far less disruptive than anything on the table in congress, could it still harm the affordable care act. how much time has he and have democrats bought themselves, here to discuss all this, we
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have sarah cliff, a health care policy reporter. robert costa the d.c. editor at the national view and can you do low report and soon he will be heading to the walk post. crawls on that. brean boiler political writer, shauna thomas, white house producer, so i want to sto start with what happened in the house yesterday in this evote,er with hearing predictions wednesday and thursday. fred upton who offered this plan in the house that supported the affordable care act says they would have gutted it if it had passed, we are hearing prediction maybe 50, 100 democrats might support this thing. there might be momentum. in that context, 13 seems leak a small number. i imagine the white house is happy about this what happened to bring it about? >> well, we had this week happen, which was the democrats went to chief of staff dennis mcdonough and behind closed
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doors and complained complained loudly and said if you don't figure out some way to do this, we, looking towards 2014, are going to have to support a bill like this. we're going to have to support something. or at the very least, the media is finding all of those stories. they're on the front passenger, they're the first stories running in the a block. behind closed doors, they were reassured the white house is going to do something. jay carney came out before the president did and said sooner or later the president is going to say something this woke. so the president tried preempt the upton plan. that's what he did to try to give some of the democrats cover. >> sarah, maybe you could explain specifically then. we have all sorts of different ideas, of fixes floating around. what the president did, it's an ad administrative fix. the idea is that if you already have your plan, you can keep your plan for a year, for two years. explain what the fix is. also the question is out there. does this mean anything?
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is it actually implementable? >> right. there is concern among insurance regulators. you gave us absolutely no heads up. how to do this. to go back to what it is, the president is giving insurance companies the option to extend the plans for an extra year. so if you, for example, have a plan that starts in april 2014, you will be able to renew that through april 2015. if your insurance regulator says it's okay and there is a good business decision. >> it sound like neither of those things. i think i saw a report in rhode island that says the insurance commissioner says, no, we are not going to do this. it sounds like this is maybe like an academic fix. >> there is three states already, washington, vermillion, rhode island who said it is way too late in the game to make this change. we think this is bad for the affordable care act. we were consulted. i was talking to washington states ens commissioner
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yesterday. he was at the give him he had no heads up. there is an emergency meeting of all the insurance commissioners yesterday. they were totally taken off guard. er that not very sure whether they can make this work or not. >> so explain, brian, exactly, what people were talking about here? are we talking about people who have planes, getting cancellations, this was a window passed after 2010 and before it went into effect this year. these were plans sold in that time that are considered substandard under the new law. these are the people we are talking about here? >> it's people that had plans, the insurance company since the passage have tweaked them, raidsed premiums or made other changes to the benefits of those plans. the grandfathering regulation of the law said if you do that to be beyond a certain extent, those plans are for the longer valuable. it is estimated between 3 and 5 million people have been getting these letters and i think it's an open question how many of
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those people will not get letters in the weeks ahead and will be able to go back to their insurance companies and say, actually, if you want that back, can you have it. here are your other options and exchanges is there that's the question i have, where did this go from here, if democrats are not defecting, detecting in big number, this upton bill doesn't go anywhere in the senate. if there is no momentum, there is no legislative fix on the horizon here, what happens to those people getting cancellation notices right now? is this the question they got to get this website up and running and these people are fine or is there any other solution out there? >> i think there is a huge imperative for the bottlenecks. a lot of people will go back to their insurers. insurers will have to say, it's okay. if you want it, here's your other options and exchanges. ten you have a situation they never get that fixed. you might have fewer people enrolled and got cancelled.
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>> that seems like a very untenable situation. that's when you might get democrats to make big changes to the law. >> so, robert, what are republicans thinking in the wake of that yesterday. upton was out this week. he seemed to be channelling opt minimum that they've sort of broken the democrats on this. when you see 39 come across, you have 39 on this it seemed like they didn't get the defections they were looking for, does that change cheer mind set in the weak of yesterday? >> the party has been in disarray since the 2012 election. they went through the shutdown and fis cam standoff in the fall where the party was fighting and fighting each other. teams they find themselves in a politically solid position. actually climbing in the polls. so this upton bill, for example, it was really a messaging bill that was hopefully going to get some votes and come to the floor. they're trying to figure out a strategy in the new political climate after the president's
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press conference with this new reality, how to move forward. i don't think they have settled obvious what an alternative to offer an champion in 2014. they've settled on a legislative fix strategy. right now they are stuck at messaging. they are trying to come up with something, the next step. >> we will talk a little more about that. a member of congress, we have steve cohen, a democrat from tennessee, he was critical. he is going to join us live after this. we will talk to him in a second. if you've got copd like me,
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. >> i'm just going to keep on working as hard as i can around the priorities that the american people care about and i think it's legitimate for them to expect help to have to win back some credibility on this health
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care law in particular and on a whole range of these issues in general.l and you know that's on me i mean, we filmbled the rollout on this health care law. >> on thursday on the eve of that vote in the house on fred upton's 13 democratic defectors, i want to bring in steven conof tennessee. congressman, i appreciate you taking the time. so the head lean i guess coming out of that vote i guess is the democratic revolt everybody talked about didn't materialize with 39 defections, when you look at the fix the president put forward in the last segment, you have stated health insurance commissioners bauming at the idea of implementing this you had a meeting of insurers walking away saying we're not sure we want to take part in this so it seems unclear at this moment this is actually going to
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adoctor es the problem that created this whole crisis this week. how confident are you this morning that what the president outlined this week as administrative fix is actually going to get the krob done? >> i think the real problem is getting the website up. when the website starts to work, people will see their ens will be better and at better rates with going into the exchanges and right now the people under their policies canceled might not realize how weak a coverage they have and might ziert. right now they can't do it. in many states, most states. >> it says to me like you are saying yesterday's vote was almost the administrative fix is about buying time to get the website up and running. that's when people getting cancellation notices will get a good deal you don't want to do anything, it's about bike time, is that the purpose of this
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administrative fix? >> i don't think it was. i think he was trying to respond to the outcry of the democratic caution we lost a lot of our good friends and our majority in 2010. now, you quoted someone who was valid, is it worth it? we had the worst congress in history going on now doing nothing and trying to repeal so many of the great things that american congresss in the past have passed. this effort, if republican kwong, we need to get the democrats back in. getting men mum wage, helping the environment, getting things done. we can't do that if we have another 2010 facing us. right now, the idea that you can keep it, that's going to be a clause that's going to come back. it will probably haunt us in november of 2014. this was an attempt to get us beyond that.
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to help the democrats have something they can vote for. the president would like this fix for the work. if it doesn't works it will be clear, it's not because of the affordable care act. it's insurance regulators and others, not because of the affordable care act. >> congressman, 39 democrats voted for the upton bill. how many democrats in the cloak room are uneasy right now with this implementation process? >> i think a lot. just about every democrat is. the rollout has been horrendous and all of us just are, can't understand how that can happen. we had three years to get it prepared. we can't understand why there wasn't anybody that saw there was going to be, not work and delayed it. the mood of the caucus this week was really strong. the message was taken back to the president. the 13 votes i wasn't surprised.
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most of them were blue dogs. a lot from california, where a lot of notices have gone out. they were defensive measures. if bill is not going to go anywhere. but the mood is very strong. the fact is, there is an underlying problem that the white house really hasn't shown a lot of love to congress, the democrats in general and there has been belief in the democratic caucus that the relationship isn't what it should be and the democratic congress people who have gone out of their way not out of philosophy and principal haven't seen the whose work as much as they'd like to do. >> very quickly, you had predictions of 100 defections. down if that vote had been taken before that, you would seen more? >> you would have seen a lot more. upton is putting a lot number on it hoping to attract people. i have predicted after the second meeting where we knew the
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picks were coming, 20 to 25, i guess i was low balling. right before the vote, i asked one of the headcounters. he said anywhere from 30 to 70. 39 wasn't too bad you knew about 15, 20, blue doings were voting no one of my colleagues beaten, she saw what happened and she just had a flash back to 2010. a lot of us had that. we want a majority. we want to put america back to work. we want to create jobs bills. we want to have an effective congress that can get things done. this is somewhat humiliateing to be in congress. the republicans want for the keep their poi power. it's funny, when upton started his address, he quoted some presidents over the years and he
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suggested this president will be known for, few leak your insurance, you can keep it. he quoted mr. reagan. he should have quoted iraqen for there you go again. because there they went again. for example times to try to repeal the affordable care act. it took us 50 years to pass the affordable care act a. couple months with the defects unfortunate and wrong with the internet program and the website shouldn't stop us from 100 years, 50 years. >> we are short on time. >> my question is looking ahead to january or february, if you have a situation where the website isn't working still. if enromments have been weak and cancellations high, can you see a situation where democrats give republicans a majority for some kind of ledges laegs that cuts at the real architecture of the law and when will that happen and how far will democrats go, delay, delay parts
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of the law, outright repeal what do you see happening? >> you know, there is enough democrats who five of coursally are going to support the president and the law that i -- philosophically are going to support the president and the law. bottom line is the democrats are going to be vulnerable to attacks on the affordable care act regardless. i understand why those 39 voted the way they did. i think rest of the caucus is very strong and will stick with the president and support him and support the affordable care act. >> congressman, i appreciate the time this saturday morning. we'll be right back, pick it up right after this. thanks. do it. i told my doctor i think i'm... i'm ready. .
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. >> thinking of where the obama care stands this week. we got a lot of numbers out there. a lot of data about enrollment numbers. both sides of the debate are using these numbers to further their agenda. let's put some basic ones on the screen. they received the hhs is saying 846,184 completed applications october 1st to november 2nd. of those, about half a million. 502,000 either selected a plan or were deemed eligible for medicaid t. vast majority were dome eligible. it was 106,185 people who actually selected private insurance plans. now, according to original projections in that first month, that number was going to be 500,000. they got a fifth of their goal towards privately enrolled people in the first month. looking at these numbers, how do you explain them? does this signal a problem for
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the law? >> it signals a problem for the website, definitely. we know that a lot of people are trying to buy insurance. they couldn't get through the purchase process and there are a lot of medicaid enrollees. a lot are coming in through different entryways. we saw that the state exchanges vastly outperformed the federal government's marketplace, healthcare.gov. 79,000 of those 106,000 people came in through the marketplaces. just about a quarter of all enrollees were coming in through the website that the federal government built. so the white house will say, you know, we're not worried yet, the website is a huge obstacle. but we're expecting or projecting about 7 million people should seen up this year. that's what the congressional budget office projected. we're seeing these numbers in november, december and january, that is very worrisome for the health care law. >> another piece of concern this week at the start of the week,
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the washington post reporting the white house now is not as iron clad, when the president was asked about it on thursday at his news conference, he said it will be better at the end of the month tan today, it will be better week by week, but what is the sense around the white house now? when this thing will be up an running? how much time do they have to have this website going? >> the thing they keep saying they think for the vast majority of people, that by the end of the month, the website should be working and there is, we keep asking what is the vast majority on these calls every day, someone will ask, what does that mean? and you can't get a straight answer. so around the white house i think the issue is we need to wait and see as well by the end of the month. is it going to be working or not? one of the things about the medicaid numbers you have to understand is if people are trying to enroll through that website the medicaid numbers are a beg deal. this is one of the big things, they think that's a good number. a lot of that information isn't
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making its way to the state med dade offices for the ones who run these plans. so there are multiple problems with the website when you start digging doper and deeper that make these numbers a little less than the 400,000 in medicaid and make it a little less impressive. >> pick it upen the other side, too. i want to talk about the spectacle in the context of the poll numbers and what this means for him and this law going forward. we'll talk about that after this.
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. >> so try to look at the immediate politics of obama care implementation right now. a couple interesting breakdowns in the house t. cook political, non-partisan report, you take the 23 democrats they deemed the most vulnerable in 2014. 21 of them voted for this that we are seeing the names on the screen here. 21 voted and there was another, i don't know if we can have
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this. it sort of ranked all the democrats in the house previously, the smaller the share of the obama vote, all the blues, those are yes votes on upton. there is one blue dot up near 100% from the district, 81%. it's gary peters from michigan running for the senate next 84, showing some concern of running state wide in wanting to take this kind of vote. brian, you were getting at this, talking to congressmen earlier, given everything we have been talking about here, how much patience and time does the white house have with before more democratic defections start? >> i assume it's going to be the beginning of the year t. cancellations happen basically all at once. there was no bottleneck, the enrollments are stretched out over six months, right. so what that means is you have this huge imbalance and a lot more have been cancelled than have gotten ens through the
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affordable care act. they open up the bottleneck, the demand is still there, you get five, six, 7 million people in the exchanges before the open enrollment period changes. i think sort of like the political fortunes and rhetoric will shift. yes, obama said, if you leak your plan, you can keep it. now, republicans have been saying, we want to repeal this law, which means taking health care away from people. i don't think passing this upton bill will do them good in the long run, they will be on record saying you shouldn't pass laws taking away people's insurance, how can you support obama care when that is your organizing principle? >> the beg picture here, you have john boehner, he basically said there is no way possible to make obama care work, is there a scenario? can you see a scenario? of this obama care just doesn't work, five years from now, we say this policy failed. is that all in the members? >> it would have to be a little bit down the loan, the health care law does include a lot of
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protections. we have miserable enrollment this year. we get to march, still it's hard to view the website there are a lot of safe guard in the affordable health caring a, if they're getting, you know, very six, very few consumers it would have to get to 2017 when the transitional policies run out. if we get to 2017 and people aren't signing up for this, it's hard to e'how this works it's got a long runway. if you talk to health care reporters, the mantra right now is it's a marathon, not a sprevenlt you hear that again and again. they do actually have a few years to get this up an running. >> that's a good perspective when there is a short term eruption. it could always be short term. my thanks to sarah clifton of the washington post. the two other panelists and now
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will become contestants, robert costa, it is time for them to put away their cell phones, close their twitter up. there she is. susan page, washington borough chief at usa today. she will be facing off against them at america's baefk cable news must watch trivia event. up against the clock? a fight for prides, glory and honor. drive" sales event is back. which means it's never been easier to get a new 2014 jetta. basic
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[ music playing [ music playing ] >> she was a 19-year-old aspiring actress full of pizzazz when she appeared on "the dating game" in 1978, who'd guess 34 years later she would be a two term governor of michigan delivering one of the more memorable speeches at the 2012
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democratic convention, yes, that was and is former two-term governor jennifer granholm. you know what they say, if you want to see a political star born, watch a game show. no one says that, but "up against the clock" is up next. .
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>> as president kennedy said, it's better to light a candle than sit and curse the dark. explore. . >> live from studio 3-a in rockefeller center in usa, it's time for "up against the clock." our first contestant argue knolly from houston, texas, the 8th wonder of the world. shauna thomas from yardly, pennsylvania, in beautiful bucks county, say hello to robert costa and our returning champion from wichita, pumpkin spice latte, susan page. and now the host of "up against the clock," steve kornacki.
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>> oh, thank you, bill wolf, thank you, studio audience and everyone tuneing in at home for another "up against the clock." we have three rounds of play, wrong answers will cost you, there are a few instant bonuses, studio audience, as always, i implore you. please no, outbursts. we don't want to rattle our contestants when they're up against the clock. with that, i will ask you, are you ready to play? they look and sound ready to me. this is the 100 point round, hands on buzzers, please, 100 seconds on the clock, with this we go. on tuesday, carolina ten di was sworn in as the first u.s. ambassador. >> to japan. >> that's 100 points for shauna. next 100 point question the calls for cbs news to commission an independent investigation. >> benghazi.
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>> incorrect t. calls for cbs news to conduct an independent commission after the benghazi report, with rejoined by what star? >> dan rather. >> correct. 100 point question, hbo announced this week it will day lou in 2014 a weekly comedy show hosted by. >> john oliver. >> that's correct. 100 point question. on thursday notice, two proposals to curtail citizens to force recall campaigns cloerd one legislative chamber in which starkts the site of a recall state. >> wisconsin. >> that was the state last 84. that's correct. this is an instant bonus question. in that company if 2012, governor scott walker retained his seat from what nominee? >> the mayor of milwaukee. >> can you be more specific?
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>> bartlett, barrett. >> barrett is correct. another 100 points for susan. back with this 100 point question, the messianic bible institute, a group which aims to hasten the second coming converting jews to christianity. >> headlined by george w. bush. correct. when this texas senator announced his bid for a third term at a press conference on friday. >> cornyn. >> whefs the guy that announced it. ted cruz was not there. correct. end of the first round, at the wire there. the score after the first round, shauna 300. robert 100. susan 200. very close game t. steaks now get higher. this is the 200 point round. 100 seconds on the clock. hands on buzzers, please. we go when it's governor signs legislation this coming week, this state will become the 16th in america. >> massachusetts. >> encorrect.
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this state will become the 16th in america to legalize same-sex marriage. you have already rung in i can't allow. that i'm sorry, there are rules here time, calm time. illinois will almost the 16th state according to reports this week, charlie krchrist my face fight -- robert. >> bill nelson. >> may face a primary challenge. 200 point question signing a bill that encourages epi pen availability in schools, president obama revealed. >> daughter has allergy. >> more correct. >> malia is allergy ec to peanuts. >> next question after the final taped episode aired the week, the a & e new yorker refused to confirm or don't reports it has cancelled reports about this louisiana governor an convicted
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felon. >> edward edwards. >> we will accept ed war. and 200 points there. this is an instant bonus question. vote for the crook. it's important was a popular bumper sticker when he defeated whom for louisiana's governship in known 91? >> durk, david duke the former chanceman. 200 more points. 200 point question a profile noted the wife of this west coast democratic governor, a whom who used to be the chief woman for the gap. >> the governor of california, brown, jerry brown. >> an guss brown. shauna at 500. robert at 300. susan at 6:00. . >> close. >> it is a very close game as we go to the ph.d. level. this is where champions are crowned. 300 point questions. the game will be decided here.
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100 seconds on the clock. we go with this. 11 hard loan house conservatives, including michelle bachman introduced ledges laegs on thursday calling for the impeach him of whom? robert. >> president obama. >> encorrect. >> shauna. >> kathleen sebelius. >> encorrect. >> i got nothing. >> time. eric holder. a democratic member of congress who recently revealed that he's gay was found to be leading in a poll by 2 points in a race for governor of what state? >> time. maine, the state o maine. this prominent house republican and potential 2016 candidate will be the headline speaker tonight. >> paul ryan. >> we expect a fascial review guy to know that. 300 points here, larry preszler, a former three term senator who briefly sought the presidential
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nomination in 1980 and bolted to endorse barak obama announced this week he may run as an independent correct year for his old senate seat in what state. >> i know you know this. >> i know i know this i knew the previous. >> time. correct answer south dakota. 300 point question. this former senator who lost his seat to a tea party challenger will be awarded a presidential medal. >> lugger. >> that's correct. 300 point question. >> this republican officially filed papers friday to challenge mitch mcconal. >> matt evan. >> this week they blocked law professor nina pillard to serve on what. >> the d.c. certificate. >> what's the score? susan page 1,200 points, you defeated robert costa, you are the new reigning, champion still
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. >> those beautiful shore lines and breath takes shore lines, thousands of brides and grooms flock each year to the island, it's hard to not think of the 50th state without marriage, it was there in hawaii two decades ago, a few kind of marriage, same sex emerged as a major contestant in political life. to the rest of america, it seemed to come out of nowhere. three young gay lesbian couples said they want to get married. the ruling from that court was
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unprecedented. >> male and female walk in, they're not married, you want a license, you give it to them. a male and a male walk in, you don't give it to them. are you discriminateing against men. >> the high court sent the case back to trial. hawaii could be the first state to recognize same-sex marriages. >> american politics back then. the issue wasn't an issue. it was more of a friendge idea. all of a sudden, with no warning from this distant island chain, here came news the hawaii courts might require a state to issue licenses to same sex coupleles. in the possibility, the mere prospect, once they might begin recognizing same-sex marriages set off a national political uproar. the fear was a marriage recognized by one state would have to be recognized by others, so lawmakers from both parties got busy writing laws to preempt endecision that might come out of hawaii's courts to allow
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same-sex marriage. >> it's a bit disheartening, mr. president, that congress must now clarify the traditional definition of marriage but inch by inch, little by little the homosexual lobby has chipped away at the moral stamina of some of america's court and a whole lot of legislators in order to create a shakiy ground that exists today. >> this played out against the backdrop of a presidential election year, 1996 the defensive marriaging a, which defines marriage as the union of one man, one woman sailed through by bill clinton. hawaii amended its constitution defying its high court and stopping gay marriage in its tracks. almost as quickly as it had sprouted up a as a national issue. day marriage ceased to become one, to be one.
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until ten years ago this coming monday. >> that is when the supreme judicial court in massachusetts, the highest court in the state, decreed gay marriage was little there that court's ruling was put into effect months later, may 2004 when massachusetts became the first state to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples. >> by the power vested in me, i now pronounce you legally married. >> by mid-morning, couples previously denied the opportunity are now able to say "i do." the happiness was not embraced by everyone. >> it's evil. >> reporter: and here at the state house, some massachusetts lawmakers have started a process to overturn state marriage by putting it before the voters in 2006. >> just like that, the battle was back on. although the idea was as far from the main stream as it had been a decade earlier when
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rumblings from hawaii were first felt. an nbc poll in the spring of 2004 found that 62% of americans oppose gay marriage, 30% supported it. once again, this was an electionier, a presidential election 84, political omptives, carl rove, easily recognize the potential power of the issue. 11 states put gay marriage bans on a november 2004 ballot, initiatives that might fire up and mobilize anti-gay voters, especially the ardently voters among them. to get them to the polls, while they were there at the polls to get them to check off president george w. bush's name, bush was happy to play along with the strategy. he even took it a step further. >> after this court's reflected people with one recourse. if we are to prevent the meaning of marriage to be changed forever, our nation must enact a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in america.
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>> that proposed amendment to the u.s. constitution never passed. it served his political purpose to galvanize the right. in 2004, solidified a simple lesson, anti-gay reverend dums were political winners. by early 2010, 29 states added bans to their state constitutions be i that time the, the refrain was well established. when gay marriage was on the ballot, voters always rejected it. then something else happened. the tide of public opinion. all the political moment item that goes with it began to change course with lightning speed. in august, 2010, cnn released the first poll ever to find majority support for same-sex marriage. by 2012, the vice president and the united states announced his support. president obama filed suit days later. on election day, voters supported initiatives for gay marriage in washington, maryland and maine, a reversal from three
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years earlier when they repealed the law in that state last year, the number of states recognizing gay marriage has more than doubled. finally this week, nearly 20 years after it scared if bejesus out of a big chunk of the country, hawaii finally got around to adding its name to the lest of states. 15 of them now. it felt almost like a routine and a ho hum event. another blue state aing knowledging the political change, which raises the next big question about gay marriage, in two decades, it went from being a fringe issue to virtually unanimous support in the democratic party in blue america. one blue state after another is legalizing it. what about republicans? what about red america? if marriage equality is going to become a true national reality the red estates will have to come archbishop too. is that going to start happening any time soon? here to talk about it, we have, a white house reporter robert
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costa, a washington editor. susan paige, the reigning up against the clock champion and she is back with us. form a republican who served 26 years in the state legislateture there and ran for lt. gov. if 2010. richard, i'm start with you, your experience, it's interesting to me because you are in a blblue state. you are openly gay. are you a politician who supports gay marriage, is gay in a stitd likes massachusetts, you ran for congress and nearly won a seat in 2012. then you look at the republican party outside of massachusetts. you look at the attitudes on gay marriage, what goes through your mind? >> things are moving really fast right now historically, few lock at it. and when the court came out in
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massachusetts and made marriage equality equal in our states t. calls were probably 3 to 1 against it. people evolved over time. right now we just had a primary for john kerry's seat, two out of the three candidates in the primary supported marriage equality. 70% of the primary voters voted for one of those two candidates, including the win. so i think you just saw the president not too long ago. it's happened pretty much around the country. i think the train has left the station. the republican party does have to change and the best indicator of what is happening is that in national polls that have been done, a majority of republicans under the age of 40 support marriage equality. i think for the long run, you know, that's where we have to be. we don't have to reinvent ourselves, we are a party founded on the notion of freedom. we always supported civil rights and expanding civil rights throughout this party's history. we lost our way and have to get
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back to promoting freedom and liberty. >> if you can talk a little more about your experiences of running statewide in massachusetts, of running in the republican, you know, party mess, could you still come up against pockets, though, of conservative voters that know this is something our party doesn't believe in. >> the problem in massachusetts isn't being gay. being a republican is at issue. i want to support, if you explain it to people, this is about freedom, extending our rights, you have to respect people who are against gay marriage, they might have strong religious beliefs. you know, the government shouldn't discriminate. the government should treat everybody equally and fairly under the law. i think when you put it in that context, people get it. wore pretty fair country and i do think that again in new england it doesn't surprised me, we were the tourist region in every state and moved towards the marriage equality because we have a tradition of being pretty
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strong libertarian state. i think what will happen in the long run is sort of what happened with interracial marriage, 1948, california became the first state. it took 20 years, you be at the en, the supreme court in west virginia ended up ruling the ban unconstitutional. we are only ten years into this. there is almost going up to 50% of the population living in states with marriage equality. that's good, because when people see gay people. i just got married. i understand the world the sky isn't going to fall, they become much more accepting. that's where we are right now. >> in the end, what you are talking about there, some regional differences pop up when you look at new england and the heart of red state america and the south. remember all these primaries? all the states where evangelical christians were making up the
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electorate. romney was too liberal for them, can those states ever get to the point where they are okay with gay marriage? >> i think the question posed to you on this you mentioned evolution, right, i think you are right, the momentum is hard to deny that, we're going to have an election cycle next time in 2016 where a democrat will most likely be in favor of gay marriage, a republican will most likely not be. how long before we support them on a ticket and how much damage will it do for the party wheel youmate wait for it to happen? >> it definitely reached our brand. i think what you said, what a quarter of the republican caucus and the united states senate support and done, which they did just recently. no deal that was possible. so things are moving pretty quickly. you have the united states senate coming out right now. senator portman i think and
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senator kirk from illinois most recently coming out in favor of marriage equality. so i wouldn't be surprised at least if the nominee, you know, is somebody leak chris christie who sort of was able to straddle the issue a bit, not in faefr of gay marriage, certainly didn't make that one of his key. >> chris christie in the new jersey governor's race, barbara bueno saw this as his weakness, she brought it up in the debate. this is how he handled the question last month. let's play that clip. >> if my children came to me and said that they were gay, i would grab them and huck them an tell them i loved them, just like i would do with any of my children who came to me with news that they wanted to give to me that they thought were important enough to open themselves up in that way. but what i would tell them is that dad believes that marriage is between one man and one
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woman. that's my. >> i love you, take your time. by the way, here's my legal position. >> it seems leak such a. >> actually, i'm sorry. that's actually the opposite of what a lot of republicans are doing when their kids come to them and say, i'm gay. dick chain cheney, rob portman. their kids said i'm gay. they said i support you and i support you having more legal rights. >> deck cheney is not on the 2016 radar. i don't think rob portman is looking for 2016. my take on christie is if you gave him the truth serum, he doesn't care. he's fine with gay marriage. is this leak the sort of thing, an indicator, you have to say this to survive as a republican and be nationally viable still? >> i think when you look at someone with rob portman, he is versatile. i would put portman near the top of the list for the vice
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presidential nomination. i think christie is trying to fenagle a way forward politically to not alienate a base. it's like he is in christie's coalition. i think you are right, christie is not ready to take that final step. take him at the benefit of the dad. that's his position. if you gave him truth serum. he would stick with that. knowing christie, he is candid. >> there is candid in front of the cameras, anyway. go ahead. >> is the pub leg ready to watch the evolution process? it seems the pub leg, the american people have made a shift on this issue. are they going to be able to sit around and watch another politician hymn and ha their way through this, whether or not the they support or oppose it? this is the question i have, how far behind the people are the republican party? how tough will that be?
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millions of americans have made that transition. >> why not? >> that's a tran sex we have seen. i think the earlier point is correct, no way, this republican party is nominating a party in 2016 who will support the idea of gay marriage. what's remarkable. there is no way the democratic party will nominate a candidate who opposes it. >> that is a huge 50. >> since 2012. they were ready to renominate. we'll never know the full events. joe biden shouted off whatever it was. history sort of changed. we will pick it up on the another side, take a break right here. .
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. >> senate bill 1 passes final reading. madam, clerk. [ cheers ] . >> so there it was, that was same-sex marriage 20 years after the rumor started in hawaii, there it was actually happening this woke him we put up a map. this map shows you where it is legal in the united states, illinois as you may remember, it's going to become legal there this week. >> that will be number 16. what do all of those states have in common? those are all blue states, obama states t. question we're trying to get at here is when does this become a thing in red state america? one piece of news is jay nixon, the democratic governor of missouri, stayed with a conservative legislature. they refused the medicaid money, they refused to set up the health exchanges the lower,000 in massachusetts passed this gun
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nullification law. so the challenge in a red state like that for a gay marriage supporter leak jay mixon is to bring them along and, susan, again, we have been talking about the regional differences, missouri is emblem at ec of heavily influenced conservativism. at some point, that has to be compatible, the idea has to be compatible for this to be a reality in red state america. >> i think you have to look at different states, wyoming, montana where there is a strong leber taern tradition, accepting passing, enableing, liamizing gay marriage, much before you see those southern states and regionally border southern states, where there is a lot of religious conservatism accepting it and making it legal. so i think you are more likely to see it in some red estates than others. when you look at regional differences in support of gay marriage, you do find there is
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one region where a majority of americans now oppose gay marriage, that is in that southern bible belt part of the country. >> that will be the last and in the absence of a constitutional ruling that's unconstitutional not to allow gay marriage, that will surely come o'long on this issue. >> is it sort of purely, a religious thing in the republican party, robert, is that what is driving the opposition at this point? is it religious conservatives saying this violates the bible? is that the basic argument against it at this point? >> i think republicans and broadly speaking, when you talk to voters, they are not engaged in the legal arguments, religion is an important factor. i think there is a tradition this is the platform. there is always resistance to change that platform. but i think the most important thing to me is that they're more willing now to accept the politician who is pro same-sex marriage than someone who is pro choice some on the social issue,
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they're still sticking with the traditional position. there is some room of acceptance for those with a different view on marriage. >> i think you look at the republican party, i mean, the father of the republican party, barry goldwater, his philosophy was, get the government off my back, out of my wallet away from the bedroom. other people in particular really understand that philosophy and so it's easy i think to get people, easier to get people to cross over on gay marriage than it would be abortion. i say the pope coming out recently, pope frances saying who am i to judge is causing a lot of people from a le ledge just standpoint to sit and question about the way that other people are treated. so, you know, i do think, again, things are headed in the right direction. you are not going to get those bible belt states will be the last to jump on board. i think you will see a lot of progress as time goes on. >> the other issue, we think of this, it's as simple as a vote being taken to legalize in the
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state or state legislature having no vote. one of the consequences from the late '90s on is a bunch of constitutional amendments passioned. you have states that are like wisconsin an virginia, if you poll the question in these states, there is support for it. this requires letting both houses in successive sessions to approve a simple ballot initiatives, there are states right now where there is the popular port is there. it will take years, maybe decades more than a decade because the constitutional amendment was put in place when there was a lot of hysteria around this issue. richardson, you were the first state, how did you avoid that happening? >> as soon as the court case came out, it was announced a constitutional question would be put before the legislature. we had to do two legislative sessions. the people that wrote our constitution are smart. they realize constitutional
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rights were important and it shouldn't be something that changed in the heat of the moment during that four-year process, by the end of the four years, the state probably went from 3-to-1 against gay marriage for the more even split and the legislature ended up defeating that question. so i understand and in other states it will take a while, you have that extra barrier, amending the constitution, but, you know, having that plos says is good and it's going to take a while to overcome that in individual states. i'd rather have that system set up to protect people's individual rights, constitutional rights than not have it. because if we ended up, you know, if that wasn't in place in massachusetts, that would have been, that court ruling would have been repealed. because a lot of democrats at that point did not support marriage equality. >> right. >> it's such a foreign policy. >> people in massachusettes, the beg blue state, i'm from there, you are from there. i know a lot of culturally
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conservative democrats in that state, colorado is another example, they had to set up for civil unions because of the constitutional in place. before we go, we did talk a little about news, the employment non-discrimination act which passed the senate, along wishes in the house, that's the story this year, robert, if you just talk about, what the prospects are of this of ever getting a vote in john boehner's house, is this the kind of thing where there can be enough external pressure, he is forced to brake that hastert rule an put it on the floor and pass that way? >> if you have hopes, i would, i think they're pretty dim. john boehner i think is ec stat ec he can talk about obama care and there is some unity on obama care, beyond that, beyond messaging obama care. the state of the house is confused, often incoherent. they're taking it day-by-day, boehner may be pressured from the outside, boehner's more important pressure comes from his right flank. >> i want to thank usa today's
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susan page, former massachusetts senator. the market turns out he is related. we found that out today. i want to thank robert costa of the national review. a political show finally gets washington right, of course, it's a comedy. >> that is next.
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. >> ever since house of cards got started, i hated it, we even did a segment on this a couple weeks ago. >> how does this guy get elected? who would ever like this guy? who would want to vote for this guy? he doesn't pretend to fake nice guy thing, constantly walks around angry at the world, you know, contempt for everybody around him. i don't boy. i got a million more explanations like that. i have made a new discovery. i found a new show about capitol
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congressman from massachusetts, leon pan net that used to live will, too. 2007 "time's" story, durbin says everybody in the world says they will do a television series based on us and realize the story of four middle aged men with no sex and voi lens is not going to last two weeks. somebody took it as a challenge, political satirist of doomsberry thing figured something out, if we could make the show fictional, he could add all the sex he wanted. they're all senators. he is the new comedy, alpha house, available online at amazon prime. they are now going to net flecks route and producing their on original content. i know, a show for an online prescription site about capitol hill. we seen this before, just like house of cards, there is a twist. i hated house of cards, but i really like this show. i think alpha house is the
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anti-house of cards unlike house of cards, captures the es tense of the life of most d.c. pegs, that i have you believe they are whip smart schemers consfantly plotting, conniving for status and power and fwloer. the reality, the d.c. i knew within i covered it, a lot of politicians are a bunch of dopes, well meaning dope, who ooshlly don't quite know how they got there, aren't sure why they're there they stick around anyway for the same reason most of us stick around wherever it is we work. it's our job, who we, are what we do. that's my take on how they portray them on tele56, we have jonathan alter who in addition to an analyst is an executive producer of alpha house, liz mcnichols, a founder and co-founder of new media, a white
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house reporter for busby.com and nbc news white house producer shauna thomas, a prolific live tweeter. on this show, disagreed with me before about television. jonathan, i will talk to you more about the specifics and i think for the audience, everybody else here has, the bake premise this is the anti-house of cards, is thating watched it that you guys agree with? >> at the risk of never coming on before, i have to say, i like house of cards. >> a trap door comes out. >> i also really like this what you are saying is absolutely right. i didn't think house of cards is about washington, just like a power play, drama playing out on our stage of power. but this show, it really does capture this idea of how reactive politicians are. how much they just don't think,
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things pop up. they have to run and scramble to deal with them. it's great. the very cool thing, if you see, play out. just as it's not the story of washington that we ever really see. >> jonathan, set it up for us. we got the real life story. what is the setup? >> so unlike all of these other shows, scandal, house of cards, ours is the only show where barak obama's president, mitch mcconnell is the senate minority leader and i think you make a great point, our characters play off semi real situations. we go to great pains to make it real ieftic. so when we have a, i think it's episode 5, we have a situation in the senate ethics committee and the senate ethics committee and our show horse six members in real life. it has six members. our senate hide away, which our
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florida senator uses is painted the same color as ted kennedy's hide away. we went to great pains to make it as realistic as we could so that the comedy popped out from that. the et ising is that three of our four senators are facing republican primary challenges from tea party challengers in the 2014 primaries. our fourth is laying the ground for the presidential campaign, a marco rubio-kennedy type. >> and your show this is a good. >> that's bill murray. >> he makes it right. an unforget ability scene. you are getting the real life story based on democrats, to be a republican if washington these days is to be facing this force in a lot of cases, you don't understand, this tea party force, if you accept the premise most of these politicians are
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not like the schemers you see in house of cards, were they making it? >> also, this is not "meet the press" or up with steve kornacki. it is a comedy, so for instance, our john goodman character senator from north carolina is a retired basketball coach. >> as opposed to dean smith. he's a democrat. >> he's a democrat. all the characters are quite original. they come out of gary trudeau's head. you know, they're not strictly based on anybody. so he's cruising to re-election. he find out the duke basketball coach. >> mike she chef ski. >> digger man kuzzy is a pea party ktd. we have 11 episode, the first three are available now. they're going to be released one a week for eight weeks after this week and so some people can see that develop. >> how does this compare to the washington you know.
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>> i kind over like it. i think the way it sharened and showed members of congress. i don't think all pebs of congress are real boobes. they are funny. i was looking at the john goodman character to when i covered the house of representatives, there is a high level house of representatives members who i walked no a room once and i was you know made up a little more than i usually dress up. he was like, you look better than you usually do you are kind of hilarious. three, sometimes people are people are real life. >> it's seen as almost exactly. >> that's terrifying. >> with the a id to john goodman. >> what is your take? >> i can see how this appeals to you. i know how frustrated you are with "house of cards" and "the west wing." when you mention beef and scandal and house of cards and
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this show now, they also rep this deep cynicism we seem to have about d.c. and this is just another angle that we're taking with it. >> so, okay, let me address that a little bit. obviously, there is some cynicism that what this actually does, it humanizes these republicans, i think that's what's going to happen for people who watch all that 11 episodes of our first season, democrats are going to say, you know, those four senators, those are the only republicans i liket. i i this it has the effect of detoxifying things, because you do see them as real human beings in a comedy and, you know, there are actually i mean without giving too much away, there is some pushback against the tea party by a couple of our characters. >> that is a little bit if not inspiring encouraging of what some republicans maybe will go
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through. so there is nothing that gary has said on many occasions, we are talking about doomsberry and satire in general, you cannot be totally cynic am. there is some idealism in there somewhere. >> but i think it will pick this up when we come back. i think it helps us explain, sometime a vote comes up in the house with the senate. we are all baffled. this is the most common sense, 95% support, why won't any of them budge. this ill lum nates what is booind behind that, driving that. i'll pick up on that point just after this. reality check: some 4g lte coverage maps don't really look like maps. seems like maybe... a bunch of berries.
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. >> that is a scene from amazon's outhouse. you know, i have my own, i cover congress for the house for a year and i remember just wumpb episode sort of stand out in my mind. i forgot what the vote was about there was confusion about what the vote was about. this republican congressman, you may or may not use it. i won't use his name. he is representative of a lot of congressman, he came off the floor, has a smile on his face. a couple reporters said, what exactly was that you voted on? he looks at this and goes, i have no f-ing idea. i think there is a certain like i'm not defending it. i'm not inspiring. i think that's what washington is. >> who will read all these bills, if you are a member of congress, are you reading all 2,000 pages of obama care? >> what else should you be
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doing? >> this is a television show, not technically, a show that's supposed to be entertainment. >> it is. >> a new television show. i understand the relief, certainly from covering the newsroom, it was so sort of misguided in its coverage of how the media works. so specifically and accurately. but the other question is do we want to know how dysfunctional washington, d.c. is? is that actually entertaining or so exhausting? you foe that no one knows? >> not to get too defensive about this show, even if you don't like politics, it's very entertaining. there is a lot of domestic issues that come up. by domestic, i mean, involving the housekeeper, you know, and the character cooking and things that are jen whenly related to
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internal things. now it works on a few different levels. when a character mentioned rand paul or ted cruz the scene is still funny even if you don't though who they r. if you do you know what they represent, it's funny at a different level. >> when i'm watching, i'm watching the john goodman character, the retired north carolina basketball coach and senator. i get the sense from the guy, the show is trying to down into indicate. there he is, the guy doesn't have a bad heart, you know, you may disagree with him completely on the issues, it's not coming from a place where he thought it all out. i want to screw this group, that group. it's more he's an afterable voter. >> he will go through a more
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inspireing conversion. >> okay. yeah. >> they're not so afterable, like that. the guy running for president is literally in bed with his super pack. >>er that not coordinating. >> right, right. that's right not coordinating. i think like there are nuggets. i think you are right as a general entertainment show but i think there is great stuff it digs up about how washington works right now. it's very cool. >> walk works, it's running for re-election. there are certain things he needs to do to actually win especially now he is primaried by a tea party character. it's every situation every house member of congress is if right
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now. >> that's why we've tried to situation search wait it in something real. gary of thing. the humor grows out of the situation. >> are there particular members of congress who you guys talked with like as consultants for this? >> i'm so staying away from this part of the conversation. >> so i did talk to several members of congress in the course of this, and one, and it's come out already, chuck schumer has a cameo in an episode in the middle of the season because both he and the character played by clark johnson, a senator from pennsylvania, some people might remember clark from the wire and other things he's been in, he likes to be a match maker among the staff. and schumer is the match maker. so you're going to see them
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interact a little on that score. but i did also talk to a number of others, and, you know, we tried to -- unless we needed to depart in order to make it from, you know, the truth, in order to make it funny, we tried to root it as much in reality as we could. so, you know, if we have something about the mohair subsidy, there is a mohair subsidy. and what's always bothered me about a lot of hollywood depictions of washington is that they make things up when they don't have to. >> right. >> they're not making it up to be funny. they're making it up out of ignorance. try to avoid that. >> the one piece of drama, and i haven't seen it this far yet, but you have durbin and schumer living together today and for years and both have their eyes on succeeding harry reid as majority leader. maybe a little tension in that house having to do with that. anyway, what do we know now that we didn't know last week? our panel gives us answers after this. welcome back. how is everything? there's nothing like being your own boss!
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time to find out what our guests know now they didn't know when the week began. jonathan? >> i know not enough people know that the show, i'm going to plug here, is first three episodes are free and after that if you subscribe to amazon prime the whole season, 11 episodes, are free, released every friday for the next eight weeks. >> amazon. check it out. glynnis. >> the first four seasons of "law and order" on netflix and they provide an accurate depiction of new york city the early '90s, which following the de blasio election seems to be what some are scared we're going back to. >> the first 48 seasons. >> religious conservatives are starting to look to russia for the next tactics of how they're going to fight on the gay rights area. need to go to buzzfeed.com, jay is doing a lot of reporting on this. it's fascinating stuff. >> and if you need a laugh after
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dh morning my question -- why is bobby jindal prosecuting poor people? plus, the most important birthday party in american politics happens tonight. and how women are fighting back against the all-out assault on their rights. but first, how the most irritating news story of the week is a reminder that sometimes you just get the democracy you